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Just a few of the many reasons Deep Space Nine is shit.

I used to laugh about ‘angry Internet nerds’, but I thought I’d give being one a quick go and see what happens, and vent some steam and opinions. I doubt it will change other peoples opinions, or maybe it will. Perhaps it will educate those who are oblivious to what I’m talking about a little. Or perhaps not. Well, technically I’m an angry Internet geek. An important distinction in my books. I’m not going to list the reasons in an orderly fashion here, as I would with reasons concerning a show I actually like, because its very difficult for me to generate and maintain enough interest in this pile of shit show. There are more than 1o reasons here, and they’re in some kind of rough order, but…ah, you’ll catch my drift.

Its hard to go through life without being a hypocrite, so…my apologies in advance. But I don’t apologise for my negative feelings towards this show, because I live in a free country. And because DS9 is utter rubbish.

Why is it shit? Because its boring. BORING. Mind-numbingly, spirit-crushingly, eye-wateringly, boring. Watching Deep Space Nine is like watching C-SPAN. No, in fact its like watching C-SPAN 2. Jesus, is there anything more boring than watching legislation being made? Oh yes, DS9, that’s right, I forgot for a sec. Any excitement that may be had in later seasons is completely negated by the fact that by that time viewers who had stopped tuning in, including myself but admittedly that happened after season 2, were so far beyond caring it scarcely mattered. If you were still watching, well, bravo. I applaud your ability to sit through hours and hours of the worst drivel ever, listening to the idiot crew who tend an interstellar gas station for a living churning out yet more complaints about how hard done by they are. Babies. They should have spent the last few episodes on an apology.

Filmed in SoapOperaVision(TM), with characters about as interesting as a cardboard cut-out of the word ‘DULL.’ Now, soap opera style is fine for SOAP OPERAS, not for science fiction. For fucks sake, I could tend a gas station, you know? A monkey’s younger, stupider brother could tend a gas station.Β  And still find time for rotten fruit and flinging his filth. I’m not going to list all characters here, but in summary:

Sisko: Boring whiner, boneheaded, miserable brooding idiot. Janeway and Picard, hell, even Kirk and Archer, run ENORMOUS rings around this guy in terms of leadership and charisma, and would eat officers twice the man he is for breakfast. Whose ship would you rather serve on? And be honest. If the batshit crazy happened and it was actually REAL, I’d feel safer and more confident under Janeway’s leadership on the other side of the galaxy in dangerous space than I would sitting with Sisko in my own backyard. He’d probably manage to underhand some Romulans or set the Prophets off on yet another lengthy and uncalled for hissy fit. What are the Prophets BTW, Catholic? Grow up and take the highs with the lows.

O’Brian: Annoying non-com who hobnobs with the senior officers and makes them, surprisingly, look ‘good’. (I use the word very loosely).

Kira: Now, at least this girl is interesting, and has some pizazz. The only character on DS9 I actually like. Quite a feat. Still whines too much though.

Bashir: I don’t know the point of this dude, or even if that is spelt right. I have zero inclination to go to the online encyclopedias and find out, I simply don’t care enough. Um, he’s a doctor, I think. Whatever.

Odo: Token weird alien who spends his whole time solving crimes that, frankly, aren’t interesting enough to require solving. So he can shape shift. Big fucking deal. Why doesn’t he ever shape shift into somebody interesting or useful?

Grrrrrr. I get sick of these idiots complaining about their crappy love lives or boring problems, filling up the gas meter on someones starship and then whining out another line. I can’t take listing anymore of this boring crew, but I’m sure you catch my drift.

This show has none of the spirit of adventure that the other shows possess in reams. Hell, I’m not a big fan of the Original Series, but at least it had that intrepid soul inside it, despite all the unlucky Ensign Ricky’s and the Worst Fight Scene EVER. (Check out YouTube if you don’t believe me, you’ll find it quick enough). To Boldly Go…Really Fucking SLOWLY. If at all. The only new thing we, the audience, get to explore on this show…is…is…no, there isn’t anything. Although we do get to see detailed shots of the inside of Odo’s office (joy) and plenty of interminably long, skin-peelingly bad scenes about how one member of the crew hurt another one’s feelings. Aww, poor baby. Whah fucking whah. Pay no attention to the nasty people.

Also, the theme music sucks. The Defiant (To the Idiotmobile!) looks like a fucking dinner plate, which is not good. And Jake Sisko is nearly as annoying as Wesley Crusher. Quite an accomplishment. At least he doesn’t have to save the station every other week from someone else’s stupidity.

And the noise those goddamn game boards on the Entertainment Boulevard make drives me FUCKING CRAZY. I don’t care what they are or what the game is called, that sound effect is one of the most annoying sounds I have ever heard. And the Ferengi irritate me too. I don’t like it when they’re in Voyager, which is thankfully pretty rare, maybe one or two episodes, so I dislike it even more in this damn show. Yeah, they’re an integral part of the Trek universe, but holy moley they’re irritating. Borg, Hirogen, Cardassians, at least they’re interesting.

The best thing about Deep Space Wank (I mean Nine, I think. Don’t I? Nope). is the end credits rolling. Train Wreck Nine? Shit Dreck: Deep Spaz Nine?

People inevitably compare Star Treks. Saying things like: ‘Hey, the other Star Treks are really good. This show however, totally sucks.’

If the crew of this trash-can had found themselves facing down the Borg or preventing Species 8472 from having a good crack at wiping out the entire galaxy, well, the Star Trek galaxy would, to put it bluntly, be fucked. Count your lucky stars for the other crews.

I might set up a phone hotline for people bored stiff by watching this show. A jellyfish could make better television.


Oh wait, that’s right, I don’t. Ha ha. Don’t like it, don’t watch it, that’s my philosophy. Everybody wins.

I’m done being a bitch now, and I feel better. Aaaaahhhhh. And relax….

And please, and I speak now only to the core of pretentious, pompous, self-important asshole DS9 fans, not the normal fans, if you reply to this post with some butt-hurt whining about why DS9 is awesome and why I’m a moron, that is exactly the whiny little reaction that I wanted to get. You look like a moaning little pathetic punk. And that means I WIN.

To the normal fans, if you want to comment like an adult human being and voice that you disagree with my view, please do so. I value your opinions. Thank you.

Voyager out.


147 responses

  1. Wow. I would appear as though you don’t like DS9, huh?
    But you forgot one thing any DS9 hater usually mentions…
    The ‘theft’ of Babylon 5 !!

    February 4, 2010 at 3:46 pm

  2. LOL.

    To be honest, I didn’t really think about that! It is a blatant rip-off of B5. I only watched a few seasons of that, its quite good, but I don’t like sci-fi that is stationary, if you get my meaning. I like it to move from place to place on a regular basis. If you think about it, Voyager’s initial core premise is not the most incredibly original either, a ship in space that is lost, (Lost In Spaaaaaaaaace! I know Trek is far superior to that old cheesy show, but the core idea is similar), but its the originality of the execution and the directions that they took it in that I like. Also, they’re not technically ‘lost’, they know EXACTLY where they are. It’s where they are, the other side of the galaxy, that’s the problem! πŸ˜€

    Thanks for your comment John. You get a smile, and here it is. πŸ™‚

    February 5, 2010 at 12:22 am

  3. Morshu

    I absolutely agree. I heard a lot of hype around DS9, and I finally got myself to watch it once I saw it in the TV programme. I was interested for a few episodes, but after a few it got dull and boring. It’s basically two season’s worth of story stretched out into seven seasons. I bet Gene Roddenberry is spinning in his grave, this has got to be the most boring ass show that I have ever seen, possibly worse than Enterprise. To quote the article, this should be called “Lets watch paint dry for seven seasons”. And let’s not even mention how too much it has in common with Babylon 5. Go watch that, not this money milking borefest.

    May 19, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    • Morshu

      To quote the EncyclopediaDramatica article, I meant. Sorry.

      May 19, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    • LOL. ‘Let’s watch paint dry for seven seasons.’ Heh-heh, I like that analogy!

      I don’t know if you read the other comment here, but he mentioned Babylon 5 as well. Most people consider that to be a good example of a spacestation-based show, and many seem to consider DS9 as massively inferior, or just plain shit. πŸ˜€ B5 hasn’t aged to well, but the stories are still entertaining and the overall spirit of the show is great. DS9 doesn’t have enough ideas or steam, or interesting enough characters, to make it worth watching. So….I don’t. πŸ˜‰

      Thanks for reading and for your comment, I’m glad you enjoyed the post.

      May 20, 2010 at 6:50 pm

  4. Maria

    I loved this post ! Because I am just as anti-DS9 as most people on other Trek forums, and IMDb are anti-Voyager.

    I have really seen some nasty things said by the “Niners” on the net (one person actually aid R. Beltran should have been drowned at birth !).

    I agree about B5. It is way better and much more interesting than DS9. DS9 started out ok, IMO. But, somewhere in season 2 it just jumped the track and went careening off into an exercise in how to bore an audience and disenfranchise a fanbase.

    During an interview in 1994, Berman actually said he wanted to change DS9’s direction and “bring in a new fanbase” for Trek as a result. I guess he wanted to do this for DS9, and not Voyager. Because Berman produced Voyager, which stays true to Trek and scores 9 times out of 10.

    In the meanwhile, DS9’s later years were “ghost produced” by Ron Moore. And under his mantle the show never deserved to wear the name Star Trek.

    A friend of mine once commented that the 80s medical series, St. Elsewhere acts more like a Trek sow than DS9 !

    August 6, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    • I HATE DS9. Not a lot more I can say really. LOL. I thought Berman did a good job with Voyager, it does score 9 times out of 10. There are a few duds, but that’s true of any show. Its mostly a fantastic show, best TV show out there. Ever.

      Do you find alot of anti-DS9’s on forums? I have too, I think it just depends on which forum it is.

      August 6, 2010 at 10:06 pm

  5. DS9 rocks!

    DS9 required brains to watch it. With Voyager its paint by numbers alien of the week. No character development, and a convenient reset button so the ship has unending torpedoes and 2500 shuttles. Oh and don’t forget the ship has been battered more times than Tina Turner and still looks squeaky clean.

    I like Voyager too. But DS9 had bite to it. Voyage was a weak cup of tea

    September 15, 2010 at 1:46 am

    • I find your Tina Turner reference offensive. That is no laughing matter. You have proven you have NO TASTE. Fuck off from my blog and stay out.

      September 15, 2010 at 5:43 pm

  6. DS9 rocks

    I’m glad you find it offensive.

    I find your shitty blog offensive, no not offensive. What’s the word?

    Oh yes. boring

    September 16, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    • Ha ha ha. LMFAO.

      DS9 is boring. YOU’RE boring. Deal with it. Like I said, fuck off. Stop coming back here to read about stuff you don’t like. I said stay out, so take a hike.

      September 18, 2010 at 12:13 am

  7. dbolander

    I never watched Deep Space 9 when it was on the air; it just never seemed interesting to me.

    After the new Star Movie last year I committed myself to watching all of the franchises. I have to say Enterprise, Voyager, and Deep Space 9 all seem of a noticeably lower calibre. They simply don’t hold the interest that the original series and Star Trek The Next Generation.

    I’m not quite sure what it is that is missing. I’m just watching Deep Space 9 (on season 2) and it is so very boring. I see that they tried to develop more complex story-lines but I just don’t care for the characters.

    Maybe it sounds silly but I think the aesthetic of these three spin-offs is less visually rich in terms of the sets. The Deep Space 9 sets seem large and detailed, but they are dark, flat, grey. I loved the first two Star Trek series because the Enterprise was as much of a character as the live actors. It was beautiful and exciting. Voyager, Enterprise NX-01, and Deep Space 9 just lacked life.

    September 19, 2010 at 5:58 am

    • Fair enough points, if that’s the way you feel. Thanks for the comment. I was blowing off steam with this entry, but I stand by it.

      Next Gen has its moments, I suppose. Don’t tell anyone I said that though…. πŸ˜‰

      September 19, 2010 at 10:25 pm

  8. Moe Aahdeeb

    DS9 was Star Trek as it could be, great art. Voyager was TNG wannabe but still fun for Trekkies. I go back and watch TNG now and find it boring, same with Voyager. DS9 stands the test of time. Season 1 has am impact on season 7. The writing for DS9 was far superior to any other Star Trek. As a Star Trek fan, to bash DS9 just shows a lack of understanding and lack of actually watching. If you watch the first season of Babylon 5 you’ll want to slit your wrists, but wow, by season 4, amazing stuff. Go ahead and call DS9 a rip off of B5, maybe it was. That doesn’t change the fact that it was better. It also had consistently better ratings than Voyager even though it was smarter; and we all know Americans hate smart TV, look at the success of Oprah to prove that. DS9 rules. All other Star Trek is entertaining enough to keep most morons happy, so power to you…

    December 7, 2010 at 5:55 am

    • ‘All other Star Trek is entertaining enough to keep most morons happy, so power to you…’

      ….is exactly the kind of pretentious, so far up their own asses those lumps in their throats are their GODDAMN NOSES attitude that many DS9 fans are afflicted with. Pompous assholes, throwing abuse on the other Treks because of a perceived lack of meaning. Ha, bullshit. Part of the reason for that blog entry was to get one back at those kinds of fans. Like you. Thank you for rising to my attempt. Its nice to know such irritating DS9 fans are reading and getting annoyed by my entry, it makes it all worth while. So no no, power to YOU. Enjoy your highbrow bullshit and wallow in your misplaced feelings of self-importance. So other Star Trek fans are morons because a lot of them don’t like DS9? Fucking typical reaction. You seem to think you are somehow elevated above other fans. I find that amusing. You are, by the way, totally wrong. Wake up, for your own good.

      Enjoy your drivel. I watched more than enough to know that it is shit.

      December 7, 2010 at 11:33 pm

  9. Nigel

    I understand that TOS and TNG were very one-off oriented and that VOY took that theme as well but over-arching stories tend to be favored by those with attention spans longer than a two-parter. For a ship supposedly “stranded” in a distant quadrant of space with no federation support, the Voyager was very well kept up, shouldn’t they have ran out of energy or torps? Everyone was always clean and well fed, no one of concern came close to dying, and the Voyager crew routinely defeated opponents that were not only technologically superior, but were managed to outnumber the Voyeger crew in man AND ship power. Voyager was the result of sloppy writing, no imagination, and ideas derivitave of the worst concepts born of TOS and TNG. DS9, however, dealt with complex themes, such as war, religion, racism and the human condition. I understand that this does not fit the original idea of a “wagon-train in space” but it definitely represents a more advanced style of writing and story-telling. What truly difficult decisions did Janeway actually have to make? Sisko faced mutiny, lost a person he was involved with to a terrorist sect and prison, dealt with war, the death of people involved in the war, religious cultists (including religious entrappings and beings beyond his understanding) had to make moral decisions which, while helping the cause of a greater good, were atrocious and almost criminal acts, dealt with a clandestine organization and issues such as racism (with Odo and Garak) religious zealots (the people who followed him and people who followed others). On top of this each character in DS9 was more well-rounded and developed than those on Voyager. I understand that Voyager was lost and on their own but they didn’t start as strong characters and barely grew as people, let-alone the fact that no one on Voyager seemed the least bit wary considering the fact that they were all in a foreign quadrant with much more superior forces acting as threats. Voyager’s concept was a good one but Battlestar’s revamp did it much better while taking the better aspects of DS9 with it. Voyager was happy-go-lucky while in a shitty situation, DS9 attempted (sometimes not as well as others) to deal with how people would actually react in shitty situations.

    February 8, 2011 at 10:23 am

    • I disagree, but you voiced you opinion very well. Voyager is better, and no more derivitive than ANY spin-off. But, that’s your opinion, so fair play.

      It seems you have not watched Voyager enough but Janeway regularly had to make tough decisions. If you sayd she never does, I question how much of Voyager you ahve actually seen, or was the dismissive attitude immediate? Perhaps worth a rewatch. DS9 however, is poor television.

      May 30, 2011 at 10:36 pm

  10. serena

    Couldn’t agree more.
    At the moment i am ‘forcing’ myself to watch it just to have a better knowledge of the star trek world but my oh my, it works better that sleeping pills!
    Characters are plain, storylines weak, Sisko is as flat as a pancake, wouldn’t hurt to see some charisma, passion and emotions, no fire in his belly, just a poker face, such bad acting..
    5 seasons to go.. if i manage to get to the end…

    April 20, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    • LOL. Flat as a pancake. LOL. I’ll remember that one. I wouldn’t bother watching the rest, if I were you. It gets no better, and the characters get even more annoying. Yeah, I know, hard to believe but there it is, the proof is in the watching. But, again, don’t bother. πŸ˜‰


      May 30, 2011 at 10:38 pm

  11. I love your razor sharp sense of humor LOL..

    Picard and Janeway set standards that are hard to beat. I love both shows and I’ve got them all; bought the first season of Sleep Space 9 hoping the series would keep me going for a while but not a chance. In the first episode Sisko (or whatever his name is) tries to assert himself facing Picard but the result is bloody miserable. Then it only gets worse. Plastic characters and soap opera story line.

    Your blog puts my Universe back on the right track “in a few easy steps”. Thanks for all the good work you have done.

    May 30, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    • Thank you for the ‘razor sharp’ comment, that’s quite a compliment. I’m glad you enjoy the blog and that it helps keep your universe the right way up.

      Agreed. Sisko couldn’t assert himself, or act himself, out of a paper bag. Janeway (and Picard) are the finest leaders by far. For The Win.

      Soap opera and sci-fi are a bad combination, and DS9 is the worst example of that kind of shite. I’m sorry to say I don’t get much opportunity nowadays to update the blog, but maybe, hopefully, I can find some more time in the future. I’m pleased you consider the blog ‘good work’, thanks again. πŸ™‚

      May 30, 2011 at 10:43 pm

  12. Doggy J

    Lol, I agree with your character analysis of DS9 100%.

    TNG = The best. Picard is legendary and all the other actors were good as well.

    Enterprise = Really good. The actors were good and the show had good potental, I don’t know why it didn’t take off.

    Voyager = Really good show. (Although sometimes I would cringe at Janeway’s command decisions…and I feel sorry for Harry for never being promoted, lol.)

    TOS = Set the standard and started everything. Terrible acting by Shatner? Yes. But somehow it managed to make the show even more interesting.

    DS9 = wtf were they thinking…..

    July 1, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    • Fair enough points, if that’s your opinion, cool man, power to you. W00t! I don’t know why Enterprise didn’t take off either. Very odd.

      Thanks for the comment. πŸ™‚

      July 2, 2011 at 5:33 pm

  13. I have seen every episode of every series. (except season 4 of Enterprise)

    First of all, as a Star Trek fan, i can honestly say i have watched more TNG over the years than any other series. It is probably the most repeated TV programme other than Friends, and The Simpsons. Yet whilst i absolutely love TNG and i raise my hands and say its my favorite show, as someone who is interested in how television is made, and written for, i have to say that Deep Space Nine is far superior.

    Whilst i agree with you that there are may “boring” episodes, and on occasion it can be Deep Sleep Nine. (but then the same can be levelled at the other Trek shows.) I find that all of the DS9 characters and many of the guest characters are far more developed, not only themselves, but in their relationships with the characters around them. Also after 7 seasons of growing and developing and dealing with the consequences of their actions, the final episodes really are worth the wait. Voyager and TNG in contrast concentrate on very episodic television, and tend to hit the Big Red Reset Button at the end of each episode. Only very rarely harkening back to older episodes. You can watch most episodes of Voyager (and TNG) out of order and it doesnt matter because the episodes very rarely tread on each others continuity, and in comparison to DS9, the series finales of TNG and Voyager are somewhat of an Anticlimax.

    You say DS9 didnt “explore” anything… you’re wrong… it explored the nature of the human condition better than any other Star Trek series. The nature of being human expands massively into religion, politics, interpersonal relations, the quest for knowledge, what is right and wrong.

    It explored Fear… This show delved into terrorist groups nearly a decade before 9/11 happened. The Bajoran people had just come out of being opressed for 40 years by a brutal government, and they didnt trust the almighty Federation when it arrived.

    It explored the nature of Greed… what does it do to you if your entire life is based around the quest for profit… in a way, 24th Century Ferengi society has many parallels with 20th Century post war capitalism. It delved into a story similar to that of the Suffragettes… Ferengi females gained greater rights.

    The Cardassians, and Gul Dukat want to rule the galaxy, and to do that they made a deal with the devil… literally. (The Dominion and Pah’wraiths) Over the series you see what this does to a people, and then later how some of them realise their mistakes and attempt to rectify them.

    Religion… what is Evil… Gul Dukat was not evil. Yes he was the greatest antagonist in the history of Star Trek, but he was not evil. He truly believed that what he was doing was the right and true and good thing. Even when his own daughter told him he was evil, he didnt understand, because his belief was unwavering. it showed us that Good and Evil are points of view. As is religion, just because i believe one thing and you believe differently doesnt mean either of us are wrong, unless there is factual evidence that can corroborate your argument. Granted what Dukat was doing was pretty horrific, but it is no different to Terrorists… they are evil in our eyes, but in their own eyes they are doing what is good and true and right.

    Kira in her younger years was a freedom fighter, using whatever means necessary to kill as many Cardassians as possible, the Cardassians thought her a Terrorist… who was right? Damar is a Cardassian who truly hates Bajorans, because that is how he was brought up. But when faced with a Bajoran, Kira, who had been brought up hating Cardassians, they actually gained a respect for each other because they saw that they really werent that different.

    We also saw effective propaganda at work, with The Dominion trying to pass themselves off as the saviour of the galaxy, when under the surface, their Founders really wanted to dominate and opress the solids who had once opressed them.

    I could come up with examples all day at why DS9 is superior to the rest of Trek…

    I’m not saying it doesnt have its flaws, but when i see blog posts like yours “intrepidvoyager” and i read this:
    “If the crew of this trash-can had found themselves facing down the Borg or preventing Species 8472 from having a good crack at wiping out the entire galaxy, well, the Star Trek galaxy would, to put it bluntly, be fucked. Count your lucky stars for the other crews.”
    I realise you probably havent watched the programme.

    Firstly if the Borg had actually made an effort and sent an entire fleet to assimilate us, they would have succeeded, even with janeway and Picard and the entire federation fighting them off. An entire Borg Armada could have wiped the Federation from existence. Equally, if species 8472 are unassimilatable, then surely they could not have been completely defeated by one Federation Starship. It is not possible. Fact is, it took the bulk of the Federation, Romulan, Klingon and Cardassian forces to finally push back the Dominion, after years of being on the loosing side. If you are suggesting that the Enterprise or Voyager could have defeated an entire Dominion Armada single handed then you are more deluded than i thought.

    Reading your blog post, most of your complaints about the show seem to be completely shallow… this show is far more complex and detailed than “Harry Kim is in charge of an alien ship this week” or “we’re in a race this week, but theres a bomb somewhere as well” or “we’re getting assimilated so we can destroy the borg from the inside out, but its okay because the doctor can fix us next season”.

    Your descriptions of the characters are so lacking, and completely miss what those people where about. You say they like whining. Harry Kim and Wesley Crusher are the most whining little sh… i’ve ever had the misfortune to watch.

    Again… i love Star Trek Voyager, The Next Generation and Original Series… TNG is my favorite, but Star Trek Deep Space Nine is by far the most superior body of work. Deep Space Nine, stands up against Babylon 5 and Battlestar Galactica for the strength of its ongoing story arcs. Admittedly the other two shows are better, but then all of them are still superior to TNG, VOY, Enterprise and TOS.

    A few other points…

    Throughout the 90’s and early 00’s there was a massive Syndicated market for Sci-Fi, which included shows such as Babylon 5, Andromeda, Farscape, Earth: Final Conflict, the various iterations of the Stargate Franchise, and Battlestar Galactica. Such to the extent that Network shows seemed to suffer. Case and point, DS9’s ratings were higher than Voyager, despite Voyager being on UPN and DS9 being in Syndication. So Voyager was not as popular as DS9 during its original run.

    I dont think it is entirely odd that Enterprise did not take off. I’ve seen the first 3 seasons so far (i didnt have Sky when season 4 was on), and i have to say it lacks something that brings me back to the other series, probably why i’ve not made any effort to catch up on season 4. I really dont know what it is about Enterprise that makes it so uninteresting.

    Lets face it, by todays standards, post Galactica & Firefly. Star Trek will have to do much better than DS9, TOS, TNG, VOY and especially Enterprise, if it is to compete with other TV shows on the air. Also, when Doctor Who can get 8 million viewers in the UK, a massive 40% of the viewing audience on average, and is reguarly the #1 watched show in the UK for its entire season run, why can Star Trek not do the same?

    Voyager is not the “greatest Sci-Fi show ever” as stated in your blog i can think of many that are far superior. Doctor Who being the most obvious. The show has been going for near 50 years, and regularly pulls in Double the weekly viewing figures of any Star Trek series. I couldnt even consider Voyager in the top 10: Farscape, Babylon 5, TNG, The Twilight Zone, Stargate SG-1 (which ran for 10 years with solid ratings on cable), Firefly, The X Files, TOS, Battlestar Galactica(2003) and Doctor Who.

    After everything i have written i know that “intrepidvoyager”, you are a Voyager fan, and nothing i can say will change your opinion on DS9. Perhaps in a few years you will rewatch with fresh eyes and see the show for the superb piece of television it actually is.

    Until then…
    …there’s coffee in that nebula.

    October 3, 2011 at 11:19 am

    • Woah, essay post. Made for good reading though, thanks for the comment.

      And please, don’t tell me that I haven’t watched the show, because I bloody have. As much as I could stand. Probably about half of the episodes from various seasons. That was as much as I could bear.

      I got sick of the Niners hating on the other Trek shows with all their pretentious superior bullshit, and this post was the result. I stand by EVERY word of it, but appreciate your thoughts. Thanks again. πŸ™‚

      October 14, 2011 at 6:51 pm

  14. I just…cant figure out why people like DS9…

    um im not a big star trek fan …but all i do is watch criterion collection films… so thats my ‘good taste’ reference i guess? lol.

    October 14, 2011 at 5:01 am

  15. actually deep space 9 has helped me fall asleep pretty easily as of late… i guess its kind of relaxing

    October 14, 2011 at 5:03 am

  16. actually delete all these comments, i dont want to have anything to do with this show..this isnt a joke…please just reject the comments

    October 14, 2011 at 5:04 am

    • Consider them rejected. But I’m leaving them up because they make me smile.

      October 14, 2011 at 6:53 pm

  17. Ian

    I see just as youtube has, this post has attracted all the keyboard warriors and retards. Star trek is Star trek either u like em or u dont, or u get on here n whine like a utube hater, n tell the other geeky nerds how u would smash them n mouth off how gd you are, i live in Toronto Australia n i loved ds9, and if any of u want to talk to me about that or my comment u can come visit me, i will gladly organize where to meet, otherwise i dont care to hear ur pathetic response of how rich you are, how you were actually on the set of ds9, how you are actually rick berman, how you are really strong and are skilled in all mma, or any other bullshit fucking story ppl make them selves out to be. and the dude who wrote this has no idea what he is doing, sounded like a spaz 13yrold from utube.

    October 30, 2011 at 8:25 am

    • You are a fucking twat. Stop projecting your bullshit onto me. Now fuck off my blog.

      October 30, 2011 at 7:49 pm

  18. pj

    I just got netflix. I’ve been watching all star trek series for the first time. I’ve seen voyager, enterprise, tng, and now watching ds9. This is the only series so far that puts me to sleep in the middle of the episode. I keep haveing to rewatch the last half of the episode. I hope it getts betting im on episode 30.

    December 1, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    • It doesn’t get better. But still, stick with it. I hate tp admit it, but its the only way you’ll know for sure whetehr its for you personally. Btw, it gets a lot WORSE. LOL.

      December 1, 2011 at 11:56 pm

      • Skeptic

        I cannot fathom how anyone could compare Voyager with DS9 and complain about the Ds9 characters being “boring!” Aside from Janeway, and perhaps the EMH (who was quite annoying, but not as much as Neelix), the characters had no depth whatsoever. What makes Paris any different from, say, Riker? Wasn’t Kim constantly falling in love and getting rejected (much like Geordi did in TNG)? Tuvok…where do I begin. For a guy with no emotions, he seemed like he was always on the verge of a melt down. The guy was ill tempered, arrogant, and hardly anything like the Vulcans we’d seen prior. Shuttle missions were guaranteed to fail (couldn’t they come up with another plot device), and somehow the crew of Voyager, isolated in the Delta Quadrant, made more technological advancements than Starfleet scientists working around the clock? Give me a break. Voyage was flashy, obnoxious, and reduced the Borg from an imposing, menacing villain to cannon fodder.

        As for Janeway, I recall one episode in which she gives the organ stealers a very stern warning, something to the effect of “if you so much as think about touching another member of my crew, I’ll tear out your heart and shove it down your throat!” Yet, when they abduct Paris and Tores and kill one of her Lieutenants, she simply extracts her two surviving crew members and leaves! What about all of the other captives? By leaving them, she essentially sentenced them to certain death. What about her threat? She didn’t even so much as imprison the one who was directly responsible for her officer’s death! Voyager is a great show for people with amnesia, because then they’ll forget how many shuttles were lost, how many topedoes were fired, plot lines that were left dangling, and so on. These same people would be incapable of appreciating a show like DS9 which had far more compelling story arcs that were developed over the course of numerous episodes.

        January 7, 2012 at 5:30 am

      • Fathom it pal, because it just happened right before your eyes. DS9’s characters are so boring they make my eyeballs hurt. Voyager was SURROUNDED by alien technology, is their ability to use it to enhance the ship ahead of standard Federation technology really so surprising to you? As for the Borg, its a simple matter of Janeway being able to stick it to the Borg more effectively than the captains. She is a hell of a leader, and no amount of arguement from you will change that fact. You find the fact that Tuvok had some actual goddamn personality irritating? Jeez man, I feel sorry for you. And you COUNT shuttles used and torpeodes fired during the series? LOL, Really? What, you keep a little notebook do you? LMFAO. Frankly, that’s pathetic and you should feel bad about it. Just ENJOY the drama, for fuck’s sake. You sound a little butt-hurt that someone dares to hate the show you like. Why don’t you just stick to watching DS9? I hate DS9, so I have avoided it ever since. I watch and enjoy Voyager instead. Simple.

        January 7, 2012 at 10:58 pm

  19. Sarah

    Agree. Agree agree agree. I absolutely adore TNG, a lot of that has to do with the fact that it’s tied up in lots of nostalgia since I used to watch it with my dad when I was a kid (as well as my lifelong love of Patrick Stewart), and I also love Voyager, mostly for the creative premise and Kathryn Kick Ass Janeway. I used to watch Deep Space Nine because it came on right before Voyager and TNG and I would have to strain to stay awake so that I wouldn’t miss the start of Voyager. For me, a stationary Star Trek just doesn’t seem like Star Trek at all, it’s SO boring that they can’t go anywhere! It drives me crazy! And Sisko was always ridiculously annoying to me, he is the most boring character to ever be on ANY tv show (that I can think of). Also, may I just add how hilarious it is to see a picture of Janeway calling people “fucking twats” when you respond to posts?

    January 6, 2012 at 1:31 am

    • You may just add that, yes. LOL. I never thought of that before, I bet it does look odd. Apparently, there is no swearing in the future! πŸ˜‰

      Thanks for your comment, it’s nice to see yet another Star Trek fan with good taste and a brain in their head. πŸ™‚

      January 7, 2012 at 11:01 pm

  20. Namessar

    well, im not a trekker/trekkie really. i never read the books or got interested any printed stuff about the star trek universe. just watched all the motion picture movies and all the tv series aired so far.

    TNG is my favorite. Maybe reasons are sentimental cause i was a kid when the show aired. i dont know. but always admired picard and loved the storyline. i always found it better than TOS.

    what i like in trek tv shows is meeting with new species, solving mysteries, paradoxes about time and events, back-in-time-like stories in holodeck, facing unknowns etc, while i hate the diplomacy, war-between-who-cares-nations-on-a-scruny-planet episodes.

    i have to admit that DS9 was cleverly written in the main story line, while focusing more on religion, species, diplomacy, crime etc were not for my taste. actually it was the reason why i hated it. (on the other hand, B5 did the same thing, unlike DS9, i really loved it, eventhough acting was far worse than DS9)

    also, DS9 is quite ironic in the sense that its main story is grift and complex, on the other hand characters and they wa episodes are written and presented are awful.

    Voyager? i liked it. the formula in TNG was reapplied in a new sugar coat, which was yummy, but was not good as TNG itself. but still, i believe it was better than DS9.

    June 23, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    • I see what you mean about TNG. If it was your favourite as a kid, then it makes sense it would continue to be your favourite. Thanks for your comment! πŸ™‚

      July 15, 2012 at 8:20 pm

  21. Jeremy

    I love DS9 Its a great show the plot development is slow but noticible.

    Odo is such a multifaceted char with such angstful romance….

    Its much darker then other star trek.

    July 17, 2012 at 4:29 am

    • If you like it, that’s fine. I’m not trying to persuade you not to like it. I’m simply stating all the reasons I personally think is utter shit.

      Thanks for your comment.

      July 17, 2012 at 4:07 pm

  22. gunthar

    although majority seems to hate ds9, voyager in some terms was just a repetition of TNG and DS9.

    Hirogen are like predator movies stirred with jem’hadar in a bowl.
    Neelix is the most annoying character ever seen in star trek history, he is the jar jar binks of star trek.
    DS9 and TNG avoided vulcans in most of the stories, (ds9 totally neglects them, while TNG has some good episodes about them) nice to see having them back with Voyager, but they are portrayed too emotional. Tuvok does not realy act like a vulcan.
    Vidiians were nice, they used to put them more in the storyline. They have wasted a great oppurtunity there.
    Kazon were immature and clearly not well written in general, nice to see them “left far behind” in later seasons.
    Krenim was almost becoming a new Dominion. I’m happy that Krenim stories did not last more than a few episodes.

    July 24, 2012 at 9:04 am

    • Neelix is Jar Jar Binks of Star Trek, LOL. Good point.

      Thanks for your observations! πŸ™‚

      July 31, 2012 at 10:23 pm

  23. TheTruth

    If you don’t like deep space nine that’s cool – I have no problem with that fact. But seriously, don’t make a blog about it. As far as I’m concerned, you sound like a fucking moron. From the language you use, to the your descriptions of the show, etc – you come off as being a very unintelligent loud mouth asshole. I liked just about everything about DS9 – the darker tone, character development, social commentary, the interactions of the crew, etc. The only thing I dislike (actually hate) about DS9 is avery brooks as sisko – i never seen a father kiss his grown son so much in my life. Basically he kissed jack in every episode – it actually gave me the creeps. Also, avery brooks’ over acting is some of the worst I have ever seen. Other than that…PERFECTION.

    July 31, 2012 at 5:33 pm

    • You sound like a fucking moron for READING the article. Why the fuck are you even here then? Go and read a blog that affirms your opinions. I wouldn’t judge you unintelligent from a single blog post you made, asshole. Kiss my ass, and enjoy your shitty DS9. Yeah, the truth hurts, TheTruth.

      July 31, 2012 at 10:21 pm

  24. Lilu

    I feel the same about DS9… You took the words outta my mouth.. The boring characters, soap opera feel… Blah!
    I’m glad i’m not the only one thinking it!
    I did enjoy New Generation tho..

    November 5, 2012 at 7:49 am

    • Hey, if you enjoyed TNG, that’s cool. I just find it dull. Glad you agree about DS9. And, y’know, how shit it is. πŸ™‚

      Thanks for your comment!

      November 25, 2012 at 1:46 am

  25. Chris

    DUDE !!! Completely AGREE ! For a while now I used to think that I was alone, surrounded by lobotomized imbeciles who were going about how great Deep Shit 9 is. DS9 is really really bad. I couldn’t watch more than 20 mins. It lacks EVERYTHING in terms of Trek substance. Yes, Voyager IS the best one … bar-none! The others are good too, except for DS9 which is ….aaaaahhh

    November 23, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    • Awesome Chris, thanks for your CAPITALIZED agreement! πŸ™‚ I like your style! They are lobotomized imbeciles, but rest assured you are not SURROUNDED by them, at least. DS9 has mistaken a depressing tone for realism, and it stinks because of it. And Voyager kicks ass and is the best!

      Thanks for your comment!

      November 25, 2012 at 1:49 am

  26. Suck Myne

    This blog is more boring than all seven seasons of DS9 put together. Just a bizarre assemblage of semi-coherent rambling by some faceless moron inexplicably fixated on an insignificant topic, and snarling Yosemite Sam-like against anyone who disagrees with him.

    January 10, 2013 at 7:21 am

    • You read the whole thing, you dumbass. And cared enough to visit the blog in the first place. I bet you thought I wouldn’t let this comment actually appear on the blog. LOL. And I only rage against people who insult me personally. Ooooh, I hates pompous commenters! Oooh, I hates pointless comments! Oohhh, I hates it when someone tires to rile me by insulting me personally and thinking I’ll take their pathetic bait! Oooh! *Fires six-shooters into air for some reason.*

      January 11, 2013 at 3:45 am

  27. Suck Myne

    “Thanks for your comment, it’s nice to see yet another Star Trek fan with good taste and a brain in their head.”

    And who is supposed to be the watermark of good taste? You? Just because they disagree with you? You sound like a fucking fascist.

    January 10, 2013 at 7:25 am

    • And you cared enough to post twice, you idiot. Four minutes apart. Dude, seriously?

      Oh, and a fascist? LMAO. Holy shit, man.

      January 11, 2013 at 3:45 am

  28. Shabooya

    Ok so here’s the definitive deal, Voyager rules them all, Janeway kicks fucking ass and would kick any of the other captains’ shit kickers from the delta quadrant to the alpha quadrant and back again.

    The Original Series is about as camp and racist as it gets but given the era it was made in, hardly surprising (a barely understandable Russian and *shock* a bi-racial kiss!). The Next Generation only really got ok a few seasons in, the first few were, dare I say, painfully cheap, in production and acting.

    DS9 and Enterprise deserve to be locked in a room, sealed, sent to the bottom of the ocean and detonated with an atom bomb so as not to harm us any further.

    As for the movies, they’re all mildly entertaining in their own way, but only The Next Generation movies and the Star Trek reboot were “good”, the rest were (as an extension of the Original Series) campy and kinda stupid (time travelling to get whales to save the planet? How high was the hippy greenpeace warrior who wrote that shit?)

    Feel free to hate on me but say what u want, it’s the facts n that’s it folks. Deal with it n move on.

    March 1, 2013 at 7:20 pm

    • It's Neelix BITCH (Formerly Shabooya)

      also, was it just me, or was anyone else watching Enterprise waiting for Captain Archer (or Sam from Quantum Leap as I like to call him) waiting for him to make his next leap….. hopefully, the leap home?

      Just my 2 cents.

      March 1, 2013 at 7:26 pm

      • LOL. Yep, I see Sam every time I look at him too.

        March 19, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    • AWESOME. AGREE. Thanks for the comment. TNG did get better later, for sure, but the damage was done, especially with an incompetent douchebag of an XO in the form of Riker running around, and spare luggage in the form of Troi. DS9, fuck, the less said about that shit the better, and as for Enterprise, I haven’t watched enough of that to give it a fair judgement. I’m glad you pointed out the blatant racism of TOS, it something that gets overlooked by fans with rose-tinted glasses on.

      As for the movies, I LOVE the reboot, (excited for the next one!) but can take and leave the rest. They’re okay, but not great. Enjoyable in their own right, I suppose. Picard’s a bit dull, but he’s a good leader.

      As you said, that’s the facts! Thanks again. πŸ™‚

      March 19, 2013 at 3:26 pm

  29. KL

    I think you should check out Jammer’s Star Trek online reviews. He constantly compares Voyager to Deep Space Nine and it is obvious Jammer is a Deep Space Nine fan. Personally, I found Voyager more entertaining on a lot of levels, especially kick ass Janeway and that Ice Queen Seven of Nine.

    April 26, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    • I might just do that. Thanks for the heads up, and thanks for the comment! πŸ™‚

      May 30, 2013 at 12:57 am

  30. james

    My thoughts exactly. I’ve tried watching this thing so many times now. I give up. I’m happy to hear I’m not the only one.

    June 11, 2013 at 4:17 am

    • You are not the only one! πŸ™‚ Thanks for your comment.

      June 17, 2013 at 11:59 am

  31. Z3r0

    I’ve tried watching DS9 3x, once on TV, 2x through watching DVDs. At one point I was watching all 3 star trek series at once (TNG, DS9, VOY) with TOS reruns also airing. I’ve tried to watch DS9 through but just can’t.

    I can’t stand DS9. It’s just so boring, they don’t go anywhere and just argue with each other all the time.

    From my most recent viewing (I did not watch all the episodes as I couldn’t stomach it), the reasons I don’t like DS9:

    – Lack of ship means they can’t write decent stories without a ship – enter left: defiant to try to solve that problem or the Klingons/Ferengis with a ship.

    – I liked Jadzia, she had some interesting story concepts being a Trill. They killed off jadzia. Well, ok the actor got bored of the stories too I guess haha!

    – The Klingons seem to be overly stereotyped and come off as boring. Martoks voice acting seems one dimensional, all Gowron has is his big eyes. The same with the Ferengi being stereotyped. Although at the time they aired I appreciated those Ferengi stories a lot more as they are humorous.

    – They gave Jadzia to Worf instead of Julian (note in Emissary they set Julian and Jadzia up it seems), i’m guessing they had no stories for Worf or thought he might attract more TNG viewers. Later on they give Julian Ezri and create a series of pointless stories around Worf splitting up with Ezri, I don’t think this is good compensation for poor Julian!

    – Worf seems one dimensional, worse than in TNG.

    – The Klingons never seem to manage to kill each other in hand to hand combat (at least, not when Worf or Dax is involved).

    – Every episode where I see Major Kira, a Cardassian or a Bajoran (Kai Winn, Kira, Vedek Bareil), I know it’s gonna be boring backstabbing stuff. I don’t watch Trek to see people arguing pointlessly, I watch it for the sci-fi futuristic vision of good people doing good deeds I suppose and all the sci-fi stuff :~)

    – Kira has a lot of partners. You know they’re going to get killed off.

    – Bad use of Gul Dukat in series 7, Gul Dukat would have been better off doing what Damar did at the end (saves Cardassia or something like that) as he seemed like a salvagable character.

    – I liked Garek at the time, but he seems pointlessly mysterious when I watch it again. Obviously because that was all they had to make that character interesting (he was meant to be in 1 ep only).

    – Pointless killing of Dukats daughter.

    – Agree with comments about how the space station set is dull.

    – Mirror universe episodes that made me sleepy. I guess they thought copying the ST:TOS concept was a great idea… maybe once but not 4-5x.

    – I couldn’t stand anything involving Keiko or Molly.

    I don’t necessarily think it was the actors, it’s just the general direction of the show. It’s a mash up of every star trek concept (A fighting B fighting C fighting D … flip reverse rotate) and this element of greyness that’s meant to make all these stories more interesting but IMHO doesn’t. I don’t recall the stories showing much of an overall arc, until maybe later seasons, as compared to B5 it’s hardly noticable, this is probably because DS9 had many writers compared to B5 where JMS wrote most eps.

    In terms of Voyager, yep much more interesting show – at least they are Trekking the Stars!

    Voyager does has its own problems though, but I could watch most Voyager episodes without any fast forwarding (series 7 did get samey for me)!

    – Janeway and Chakotay never become a love interest or at least maintain the possibility of one, Chakotay was given to Seven instead for whatever reason – perhaps to give Seven some stories.

    – The Seven character, when I was younger seemed cool – a borg on the ship but now I think the acting is wooden (which

    I suppose was the intention) and the character didn’t really do much except look after some kids. The borg shielding seemed useful for like 2 episodes then everyone could shoot through it again.

    – The characters seem far more likeable in Voyager compared to DS9. We’re not presented with constant bickering / infighting or w/e.

    – I’m not sure why Janeway didn’t make more of an effort to give those waste dumpers the antimatter reclamation technology or w/e it was they needed. Instead we had a few episodes of her battles with them.

    – Some of the borg stories were weak, borg children and the many turmoils faced by children… Surely they would’ve learnt from the Wesley Crusher issues that this concept doesn’t work so well.

    – I loved the time paradox stories!

    – Loved the stories with Reg Berkeley.

    – If you watch enough episodes, everything seems to be solved in quite a routine way, for instance when they’re in a battle and about to get smashed, there’s a constant sequence to how they get smashed and then recover, it varies a bit but this does get tiresome, but I guess if u didn’t watch all the episodes sequentially at one time then it might be less noticable. “Reverse the shield polarity” i’m sure there’s heaps more.

    – Species 8472, the biggest threat ever known (They can beat the borg!) aside from (the) Q of course, but they become pretty lame in the end and have the need to become fake Starfleet officers…. hmmmmm k.

    – ‘Endgame’ leaves a problem for Janeway in that to maintain the timeline she will always have to travel back those 20 years and sacrifice herself, no mention of this is made in the episode. Also haha Harry Kim has to send a message back in the future too in a similar story.

    – Harry Kim.. I’m pretty sure in one of the DS9 episodes they mention u can’t stay in a mirror universe for too long because it does something bad to the other one … but Harry Kim is a mirror copy of himself and nothing happens.

    June 16, 2013 at 7:59 pm

    • Thanks for the considered comment, especially about the underused 8472 and a few of the reasons some story arcs were weaker than others. I enjoyed reading it! πŸ™‚

      July 13, 2013 at 10:12 pm

  32. Ray

    I think DS9 is the best Trek, mostly because of Gul Dukat, but I enjoy the Quark/Odo dynamic, love Kira for her hot self, Garak is fascinating also.

    I can see where you are coming from, I just disagree, it is a well written show, I get some good laughs and crys out of it.

    Some people are interested in action packed, high energy entertainment, others like soap opera, whatever floats your boat.

    I think all the bad guys from all the other treks have no depth, the Cardassians on DS9 are a whole new dimension, and that is the real hook of the show.

    July 19, 2013 at 10:43 am

    • You have some good points there, and I respect your opinion. Like I said, I was just blowing off some steam with this blog post, but I like that I still get comments on it a few years after writing it. Thanks for your comment, and for reading. And I agree. Kira’s alright, one of the only good things about the show (IMO). And whilst I am a straight woman I can appreciate the fact that she is quite hot. πŸ˜‰

      July 23, 2013 at 11:16 pm

  33. Ensign SDcard

    In my opinion, and frankly I don’t want to get started, because when I get going, you won’t ever hear the end of it. So I’ll simply put it this way… I tolerate Star Trek shows after Gene’s death, despite not a single one of them being cannon, and no matter how bad they are. Same goes with the movies. And the only reason why I tolerate them is because more often than not, the idiot who was a fan of TOSSeR (The Original Series Shitty Reboot) will watch the real thing. And with a little luck, they will see how much better it is and how perverted the Star Trek franchise has become.

    August 27, 2013 at 11:04 pm

  34. Mike Chambers

    Totally agree about DS9. Easily the worst series. When I was a kid, I grew up watching TNG and was totally bummed out when it was over. I started watching DS9, but lost interest pretty fast. In the last few months, I’ve tried to watch the series because I barely remembered what it was like and as a huge Trek fan I wanted to watch it and see what I missed.

    Well, the answer is “not much”. I couldn’t finish it. Started at the beginning, saw about 15 episodes. Bored to tears. I thought maybe the first season just sucks, after all TNG season 1 sucked. Watched about 25 more random episodes from the various seasons, and made it a point to mainly watch the ones that are considered the best by fans. IT ALL SUCKS!!!

    It’s a damn soap opera set in space, and they can’t even go anywhere because they’re stuck on a fucking space station. All it is, is unpleasant characters arguing with each other. It’s just not interesting, and most definitely isn’t Star Trek. Where’s the sense of adventure? The sense of wonder? Star Trek should make you say “Man, I hope the future is really like this!” Well, not with DS9.

    I’m done giving it chance after chance, and if I’ve watched what are generally considered to be the best episodes I cringe to think of watching the bad ones. TNG (which, granted, has it’s fair share of shit episodes… but the good ones are AMAZING!), Voyager (which is only so-so IMO, sorry), Enterprise, and TOS are all far superior! To me, DS9 never happened.

    I’m not a huge fan of the reboot movies either, especially Into Darkness. Should have called them Stupid Trek because they’re so dumbed down from what Star Trek is supposed to be. The 2009 movie was pretty entertaining, and worth a watch or two but I still have a hard time calling it Star Trek.

    Here’s hoping a good new series shows up on TV soon… we need it. It’s a shame Enterprise got cancelled, just as it was finding it’s legs. Season 4 had some really good stuff, and 3 had some high points too. Wasn’t very good for the first couple seasons. Good ideas, but ruined by bad to mediocre screenplays.

    December 2, 2013 at 11:39 pm

    • Thanks for your comment, it was an interesting read. It’s okay as far as I’m concerned that you don’t really like Voyager much, (thanks for your honesty!) as long as you hate DS9! Seriously though, It’s nice to still get comments on the blog from people with strong opinions. As for the reboots, I enjoy them enough, but you’re right….it’s Star Trek Jim, but not as we know it.

      December 10, 2013 at 12:45 am

  35. MrPinkerton

    I never liked DS9 when it was originally aired but I’ve read a lot of impassioned opinions about the show and thought I would give it another chance so after weeks of misery I’m in the middle of season 7.
    Bad acting: a captain whose expressions range from baring his teeth, thru not baring his teeth, all the way to twirling a baseball; a security officer who displays no emotions because he is made of plasticine; chief science officer whose eyes become vacant at the sound of polysyllabic words; chief medic who runs around for the first three seasons with a permanent erection.
    Piss-poor plot: Sisko is the emissary (what? No really, what?!) of some prophets of a god-forsaken planet. In his spare time he is the commander of a space station near a stable wormhole. Some priests turn up from time to time. There is a bar where people go to drink, gamble and indulge in suggestive activities in the holosuite. We never get to see these activities. A policeman does not like the owner of the bar. Some army or other turn up to threaten the Alpha Quadrant with their fatal narcotic addiction.
    But much worse DS9 is a betrayal of the rational and secular manifesto of the Star Trek universe. Omnipotent beings are fine, faith is tolerated, mysticism is all over the place and makes for some great drama in each franchise. Star Trek has always dangled the questions in front of the audience but known well enough to leave the final answers alone. DS9 is religious dogma disguised as entertainment.
    Last but not least: dear god it is boring.

    December 9, 2013 at 11:53 pm

    • LOL. You got some good points there! As for what you said about religion, heck, I never considered that angle, you have made an excellent observation there, and I agree. Thanks for your comment!

      December 10, 2013 at 12:51 am

  36. MrPinkerton

    I forgot all about the tailor. A fucking tailor. Fuck me.

    December 9, 2013 at 11:56 pm

    • Again, LOL. Afucking tailor indeed. Fuck. Seriously. FUUUUCK. πŸ˜‰

      December 10, 2013 at 12:52 am

  37. Jeneric

    Thankyou intrepid voyager, that rant has made me feel better.

    I was just trying to sit through some ds9 (for about the 4th time) and once again had to give up before I died of boredom. I googled this blog because I really needed to read someone rant on it, just to make me feel better.

    You know, reading all these comments has got me trying to figure out what it is about ds9 that makes some people love it. More than that, what makes so many ds9 lovers want to infiltrate blogs like this and try to push their pathetic boring views onto the rest of us.

    Anyway, I think I’ve finally figured it out. Those ds9 fans were always actually closet soap opera followers. They loved β€œDays of Our Lives”, β€œGeneral Hospital” and β€œYoung and the Restless” and just never could get into science fiction. I mean these people had it bad, like if there was a choice of watching β€œTerminator 1” or β€œDriving Miss Daisy” you know what they’d chose. Very sad cases indeed.

    And of course, deep down they always self loathed their pathetic lives and their pathetic love of soapies, always secretly admiring science fiction fans and the scifi genre. Admiring that they could do cool stuff like dress up with pointy ears and so on, but sadly no matter how they tried they just couldn’t get into themselves.

    Then suddenly there was ds9, β€œDays of our Lives” on a frickin’ space station. Suddenly these pathetic wannabe scifi fans finally had something they could get into. Suddenly they could think of themselves as β€œTrekkies”, instead of admitting that they were brain dead soap opera fans. That’s why they’re so passionate about it! Of course they’re just fooling themselves though, ds9 is just a soapie. :p

    December 14, 2013 at 6:06 pm

    • Holy shit, you couldn’t be more right! It’s Days of Our Lives in space! Nothing else could explain the tedium and constant, soul-sapping moaning and cynicism from the so-called protagonists. Soap bullshit. And I’m glad yu also noticed DS9 viewers tendency to try and push their views on the rest of us, Trekkers and non-Trekkers alike. It was partly that mind-bogglingly irritating habit that prompted me to write this blog/rant thing. Thanks for your comments, I thoroughly enjoyed reading them, and I am with you all the way! πŸ™‚

      December 22, 2013 at 6:43 pm

  38. will

    yes, ds9 is rife with “mystical” and superstitious bullshit…

    “star trek” should be a show (regardless of what series) about “gallivanting” across the universe looking for new life forms and new civilisations…

    not a show rife with “economical and sociopolitical and religious bullshit”

    ds9 is aberrant to the “original plot device” of what “star trek” should be…

    tso, nxg, v-ger(st 1 movie reference lol) and well even the scott crapula version were more to what star “trek” is…

    as im sure it was said in here, (but if not) id like to add it would seem that they were looking for a “different” kind of audience to “assimilate” into the star trek universe and franchise. so if that was their intention then they did a very good job at it, and the writing would seem to cater to those in that apparent “demographic” of people who are interested in rather mundane plot-lines, and as you had already put it c-span drivel…

    i will have to admit the episode from ds9’s “trials and tribble-ations” was a fine example of excellent creativity of writing, and “merging” the past with the present… and is by far one of my favourite “star trek” episodes of all time.

    if you really want to get down to the “real” purpose of “star trek” you have to look no further than a simple propaganda piece for wanting kids to sign up for the navy… just like all the other “glorified” militaristic shows and movies we still currently see today.

    December 22, 2013 at 7:25 am

    • Thanks for your considered comment. I totally agree with with glorified military point of view you expressed. And the Scott Crapula thing made me laugh. πŸ˜‰

      December 22, 2013 at 6:35 pm

  39. will

    and just one more thing about the manipulation of shows (like star trek) on the minds of those who watch it and arent aware of the messages that are brought forth to influence the behavioural nature of its viewers…

    star trek was an Extremely easy way to influence the behaviours of people to others regarding “race” “gender” “ideologies” and the like…

    all they had to do was give “certain features” to an “alien” race and then either make them an enemy or an ally… or make them look good or bad in simplistic terms… then they could “introduce” the plot to include a certain “view” or ideology of whichever race and if the “alien race” was already viewed in a “bad light” then they could just use whatever ideology and have that “bad or good” race align themselves with it and…

    voila… you can make people think good or badly about whatever subject, or “race” you wanted, already based on a “predispositonal” reference that was made up beforehand…

    just think about it… πŸ˜‰

    December 22, 2013 at 7:44 am

    • Ease up on the quotation marks there dude, I can see your point without their constant use. πŸ˜‰ And yes, some of the morality in Star Trek is simplistic and black and white. But it sometimes makes for better stories. Good vs. evil. Sometimes not. If only real life were so easy navigated…. Thanks again for your comments. πŸ™‚

      December 22, 2013 at 6:38 pm

      • will

        sorry “lol ” just so used to having to put emphasis on certain words, as if it were a speech. i have found it difficult in some cases to communicate effectively with a lot of people over the internet, especially over a medium such as a blog, txt, etc…

        whereas speech would be much more concrete in its interpretation. πŸ˜‰

        and yes it would be nice, as you said, if life were that easily navigated. πŸ™‚

        loved voyager, really enjoyed seeing how it demonstrates how either male and Especially female, should be on equal ground… and showed that a Great captain didnt have to be a “male” and be just as effective and reasonably logical and powerful as any other leading role, in the trek universe. (which btw Should translate to our world too… well at least it should… πŸ˜‰

        btw. have you ever looked at the similarities between janeway (kate mulgrew) and katharine hepburn ? even in their speech is similar… πŸ˜‰

        December 23, 2013 at 12:22 am

      • Fair enough point about the quotation marks, if it helps you communicate. Speech is a much easier medium, posts on blogs can often lose subtle nuances in tone and meaning. But I did understand what you were saying very clearly. πŸ™‚ I also love the equality in Trek, I hope we reach that stage one day in the real world. And I have noticed the similarities between Kate Mulgrew and Katherine Hepburn. Mulgrew actually starred in a one woman show about Hepburn’s life shortly after Voyager came to an end, called Tea At Five. I like both actresses, so it’s a favourable comparison! πŸ™‚

        December 23, 2013 at 12:23 pm

  40. will

    oh wow, wasn’t aware that she had played that role. Just saw a bit of it on youtube…

    although kate’s lovely British accent is different… i find its how she presents herself and tonality that is so similar.

    (in the immortal words of spock or for you tuvok, πŸ˜‰ that was “fascinating,”… although i still like to call him tupac lol πŸ˜‰

    December 27, 2013 at 5:13 am

  41. will

    it seemed like she tried to force it, (the accent) as they both (kate and katharine) did different “british accents” πŸ˜‰

    but it can be hard for the yanks to get an ebb and flow to the linguistics so to speak, let alone all the variance in all the dialects in Great Britain as well lol πŸ˜‰

    regardless of that, and even so, they are still, both fine actors… πŸ™‚

    December 27, 2013 at 5:25 am

  42. will

    so anyways back to ds9… yeah it sucks… trying to force myself to get through the last 2 seasons… lol as i have not watched it in quite some time…

    December 27, 2013 at 5:34 am

  43. Lemi

    LOL πŸ˜€ what an epic reading :))))
    totally agree on your point. I have tried hard to find amusing or intriguing SINGLE ONE DS9 episode but the characters, the plot and dialogues makes it impossible.
    Sisko sucks BIG time, as well as the totally boring shapeshifter (he reminds me of a some communist inspector investigating why someone farted during the meeting).
    TOS also sucked, but considering the time of the creation of the series, it is partly understandable.
    But, giving DS9 crap to the fans after TNG is simply unbelievable stupid.
    And to DS9 fans, they have must be molested in their childhood.

    January 11, 2014 at 9:32 am

    • Thanks for the comment Lemi.

      Agreed, of course! There isn’t a SINGLE good episode. Not one. LOL at your Odo comment btw. ‘Who farted?! I shall execute them!’ πŸ˜‰

      June 11, 2014 at 10:46 pm

  44. John

    Hates DS9, thinks Voyager is “The best sci-fi series ever”, thinks Kira is a good character on DS9(While accusing Sisko of being the whiner of the bunch). And says Sisko has no charisma while holding Janeway on high. This is the best laugh I’ve had of 2014.

    January 19, 2014 at 9:34 am

    • THIS is the best laugh you’ve had of 2014? Jesus fuck buddy, get out more. And your comment? Well, it made me laugh, so thanks for that. More of a chuckle, I guess….

      January 19, 2014 at 12:21 pm

    • Mike Chambers

      Voyager’s writing was lazy I thought, but the show has it’s share of interesting episodes still. DS9’s writers were certainly more clever, but they didn’t do anything interesting with it. That’s my issue with DS9. It’s just so damn boring and unlike what Star Trek should be.

      Also, no captain can stand up to Picard so it’s not even worth arguing about the others. πŸ˜‰

      I mean come on… Partick Stewart!

      January 25, 2014 at 9:19 pm

  45. Tim

    I have been trying to get past the first two episodes of DS9 season one for a few years now on Netflix. I would watch maybe 20 minutes at a time once or twice a year. I couldn’t seem to finish episode two when I decided to google “deep space nine boring” and found your article.

    I found it so boring and somewhat depressing. In once sense, I anticipated and resisted having to listen to that ferengi episode after episode. Nothing seemed upstanding about it.

    I started watching voyager again, this will be my third time through.
    My favorites are Voyager, TNG, and Enterprise.

    January 19, 2014 at 8:55 pm

    • Deep Space Nine Boring pretty much sums it up, good call. And fuck I hate Ferengi so much. What a bunch of retards. Thanks for your comment! πŸ™‚

      February 17, 2014 at 8:37 pm

  46. Fuck DS9.

    Having watched ToS and TNG, I’ve just attempted to start watching DS9.

    What a fucking disappointment.

    Sisko is a one dimensional, lackluster cardboard cutout and every single character in the previous shows outshines him in every way possible. Yes, even the redshirts.

    Also the plot is boring as fucking shit. Fuck DS9.

    March 10, 2014 at 6:07 am

    • Agreed, Fuck DS9.

      Sisko is a big reason the show sucks. Compared to all the other captains, he has no charisma or energy. His only state is ANGER. That is it. One dimensional is the apt phrase to describe him.

      Thanks for your comment. πŸ™‚

      June 11, 2014 at 10:47 pm

  47. I agree %100, I’ve only watched as much as I have because I want to be able to say I have seen all episodes of star trek ever made. Things don’t get better after season 2, you don’t know pain until you hear the writers try to produce romantic dialogue.
    Kira: “When did you become an optimist?”
    Odo: “I think it was the first time we kissed on the promenade.”
    Believe it or not there is tons of dialogue like this, and not just between Kira and Odo, in the last season it seems like the writers wanted to pair off every single character in the cast. This shit is so bad I somewhat suspect that an executive fired all of the original writers (who weren’t that good in the first place) and scraped together a whole bunch of preteen fanficers.

    May 9, 2014 at 2:03 am

    • Really? Kira and Odo ACTUALLY say that? Holy shit. Ow, that quote hurts my brain. Thankfully I missed that particular gem. Do you still want to be able to say you’ve seen every Star Trek episode ever after that? LOL.

      Is does seem like badly written fanfic wish-fulfillment for lazy fans, and that is one of the many things that made me hate the show. Maybe stick with Voyager, TNG and TOS in the future, okay? πŸ˜‰

      Thanks for your comment.

      June 11, 2014 at 10:50 pm

  48. Conny

    Well, it’s all a matter of personal preferences, I suppose. I feverishly awaited every episode of TOS as a teenager in the 70s but could never muster much enthusiasm for any of the movies or series that followed – until I started living with a Trekkie and just recently finished watching all seven seasons of Voyager. That was actually a show that I found myself looking forward to at the end of the day.

    Then we watched the DS9 pilot yesterday night. Oh dear… What a bore (although they tried to emulate Janeway’s energy and charisma in Kira – unfortunately without success)! If it hadn’t been for extreme annoyance caused by the appearance of the Ferengi (who irritate me much more than Kes and Neelix ever did), I would have fallen asleep halfway through the episode.

    I’ll keep watching because it’s my Trekkie’s favorite Trek series – and because it gives me a chance to snuggle up with him on the couch. πŸ™‚

    June 11, 2014 at 4:08 pm

    • I’m glad yo hear Voyager was a bright end to your day, Conny! Kira is the closest thing to a likeable character that DS9 has, and she succeeds on some levels on being intriguing and having some interesting traits and stories. But not enough to fuel all the stories, or indeed DS9 itself. And she’s not even close to a patch on Captain Janeway! πŸ™‚ I also HATE Ferengi. Fuck, those guys are like a bad penny, they pop up all the time and are always unwelcome. Thank Christ they are hardly in Voyager at all. Wrong Quadrant, right? πŸ˜‰

      Hey, if you used to look forwards to TOS, that’s cool. Like you said, personal preference. It was revolutionary for its time, it just hasn’t aged gracefully IMO. I’m sure you don’t go around dumping on the other shows like the hardcore DS9 fans do, which was what prompted this blog post in the first place.

      Keep on watching Voyager and snuggling up with your significant other on the couch!

      Thanks for your comment. πŸ™‚

      June 11, 2014 at 10:59 pm

      • Conny

        Agree with you on TOS not aging gracefully, but I still like to watch it every now and again – especially the new digitally remastered versions. They look so much better than the originals!

        I don’t think I’ll ever be a fan of any Ferengi, but six or seven episodes into the first season, Dr. Bashir has become my least favorite character. Boy, does he get on my nerves!

        Speaking of the doctor: And am I the only one who thinks this space station’s medical quarters are less sophisticated than those on Voyager and its doctor seems about as trained and capable as Tom Paris as field medic?

        June 18, 2014 at 4:00 pm

  49. Rob

    Lol, I Googled this after gritting my teeth through the pilot for the first time in 7 years (I never watched any more after that). I thought it might have been my mood at the time so thought I would give it another try. This time I made it halfway through the second episode and then had to Google to see if I was the only person who found this Trek incarnation pretty much unwatchable…

    I am glad I am not alone. Not one of the characters interests me, and I just feel bored out of my mind. Think I will watch Voyager from Season 1, Episode 1 for the 5th or 6th time instead πŸ™‚

    July 11, 2014 at 12:41 am

    • Yes, that is a great idea, do that! You are not alone in the intense boredom that DS9 generates! Thanks for the comment. πŸ™‚

      March 7, 2015 at 3:55 pm

  50. warp_nine

    I just finished watching all seasons of Star Trek: TNG on Netfix. That is the best sci-fi series ever made, not Voyager.

    But now I’m trying to watch DS9. I having such a hard time paying attention during the episodes. This show is so dark, negative and BORING! It’s more boring than mandatory jury duty!

    I found this blog by doing a Google search on “ds9 is so boring!” because I’m losing my mind trying to watch this show and I needed to find emotional support on the Internet.

    Thank you for making this blog post, because I am going crazy with this show and I needed to know that I am not crazy, that other people feel the way that I do.

    The show Deep Space 9 should have it’s name changed to “Deep Sleep 9”!

    December 26, 2014 at 3:16 pm

    • LOL, Deep Sleep 9, I like it! I didn’t think of that one when I wrote the post! I disagree with you on the TNG thing, but I respect your opinion. Thanks for your comment! πŸ™‚

      March 7, 2015 at 3:57 pm

  51. DrCroland

    Totally agree with you dude, DS9 was a horrible show. The whole plot, such as it was, seemed to revolve around all sorts of boring aliens trying to dominate each other. And for comic relief there was Quark’s bar I guess… But even there, everything that supposedly happened upstairs could only be imagined. One got the general feeling that the writers had absolutely no imagination… yet the show somehow ran for 7 seasons, I really just don’t get it because it only got worse and worse!

    December 31, 2014 at 8:46 pm

    • The writers need a slap, a kick up the backside, or a shot of sugar, I don’t know…something to wake them up because they didn’t help the viewers stay awake with the shit they wrote, that’s for sure! Thanks for your comment! πŸ™‚

      March 7, 2015 at 3:58 pm

  52. Church

    I don’t like ds9 much either but it’s not a b5 rip off ds9 came out in 1993 b5 came out in 1994

    January 28, 2015 at 3:23 pm

    • They were in production at the same time. Enough said,

      March 7, 2015 at 3:54 pm

    • samsinx

      The B5 Pilot (a 90 minute movie) came out in 1993. Still I wouldn’t call DS9 a rip-off. These concepts float around production studios for years before they’re made.

      November 28, 2015 at 8:27 pm

  53. Melotron

    Ugh. My. Gah. THANK YOU for this post. I fucking hate DS9. I just found this by googling “I hate DS9” lolz in the hopes of finding someone else to agree with me and read about it being put down for once because I simply do not understand how all these people seem to think its a superior show to Star Treks… What?? I tried, I really did try to like the show… Try to see why everyone seems to love it?! But I am BORED TO DEATH. I am so bored and I couldn’t care less about the characters. Ugh. Why does it exist? I just wish it could be erased from history. It started with how they fucked up the Trills thing (not even gonna get into that) and then the stupid plots and horrid acting and.. Ugh just hate. Hate it. K bye.

    March 7, 2015 at 6:33 am

    • I’m glad you managed to find a kindred spirit! It’s nice that I still get comments and interest in this post as I wrote it some years ago now, but I still love Voyager all these years later. I have tried since to watch DS9 again, and…holy shit the less said about that shite show the better! Why does it exist? It started out as trying too hard to bed a different kind of Trek, and ended up with absolutely zero identity of its own. A wasted opportunity. Oh well. We have Voyager (and, to a lesser extent, TNG) to entertain us! Thanks for your comment! πŸ™‚

      March 7, 2015 at 4:04 pm

  54. donthatewhatudontunderstand

    I agree that ds9 started slow. It used alot of the first seasons shows to flesh out the characters. Sisco is not a favorite of mine ethier bit quark is one of the best characters in all of star trek…I think the acting and most of the writing was superb tho. tng was always my favorite but ds9 is a close second…the original series with shatner was pure cheese and hard to watch. Anyways….love how most of people saying ds9 sucks stop at season two….you missed the best seasons…ds9 is the second best star trek spinoff after tng…try watching it on netflix where you can zoom thru some of the character background episodes and you will find out what your missing…like i said before it has some great writing and characters…if nothing else skip thru watch all quark episodes and dominion wars…there is 7 seasons with 25 + episodes per…so yea going to be a boring one now and then just like tng…but its a great show

    April 1, 2015 at 9:07 pm

    • Thanks for the comment! I’ve since watched more DS9…yeah. It still sucks. But if like it, that’s cool. πŸ™‚

      July 6, 2015 at 9:53 pm

  55. I respectably disagree. I could throw insult at you, but what good what the do at getting my point across. I believe that to fundamentally understand DS9, you have to break from the expectation of what TOS and TNG gave us. To not, Voyager used to my favourite Trek, but not it’s DS9, now comes the essay explaining why:
    -The characters: This is a matter of debate, but I disagree with your point that the characters are ‘boring’ etc.
    –Sisko: If anything, I find him the most complex. His dealings with Bajor, balancing his duties as a Starfleet officer, and brining up his son as single farther. His balance of ethics being questioned with his fight with Eddington, and bringing the Romulans into the war. Ia free with your point that Janeway reveals more of her background, and developes from 1st season, but Sisko starts developing at season 5/6. Also, I think you would be miserable if you had to deal with Quark, and Duakt :).
    –O’Brien: This is the only Trek which follows the development of a family CLOSELY. O’Brien decision to evacuate his family etc.
    –Kira: She suffered a rape of her planet, wouldn’t you moan. I agree, she has a good backstory, her becoming a tourist and eventually accepting the federation presence. Her dealing with Dukat and his daughter make an interesting sub-arc.
    –Bashir: Correctly spelt. His GM. There is little development of his character and asserted backstory, but he does serve as a good doctor during the Dominion war.
    –Odo: Him finding himself, and finding his people. In my opinion, is an amazing sub-arc that explores what it is to be human.
    DS9 deals with some of the biggest questions that were left by the other treks, how does the average citizen live, how do other races. These issues are answered: ‘In The Pale Moonlight’. It also the only trek that has a link to a home planet central to the planet. Anyways, each to their own, that why we have different Treks. However, I reqest that yu watch DS9, from ‘Embisaary’ to ‘What You Leave Behind’, so you can get a feel for the story arcs. However, on a side note, I do like Voyager, but I do think certain episodes could be better delieved, ‘THERSOLD’ (if you defend this…I would like to hear you reasons). Same can be said for every Trek.
    Defiant out πŸ˜‰

    July 6, 2015 at 7:05 pm

    • I don’t defend Threshold, don’t worry. That’s episode…I mean, WOW. Thank you for your considered comment. I will admit I was venting somewhat when I wrote this, tired of all the absolutely infuriating moral superiority bullshit of a small subset of DS9 fans who lauded the show whilst calling the other Treks shit at any opportunity, often without merit. It pissed me off, hence this post. I have since attempted to watch DS9 again, and encountered the same problems I had the first time around. I do agree that Kira, whom I be,I’ve to be the best character on DS9, had interesting backstory, story arcs and motivations. I certainly would not level such accusations against a show I had never actually watched, but I’m afraid it doesn’t improve at all upon repeat viewings, at least not for me.

      Thanks again for your comment, it brought some different aspects of DS9 to my attention. I may give the show another try in the future…but perhaps not yet. There’s only so much brooding space captain I can take in one sitting, and Janeway and Picard certainly deliver in that respect for for their part! And yes, I would certainly be grumpy if I had to deal with Dukat and *shudders* Quark all day, a good point, well made. Thank fuck the bloody Ferengi were only in Voyager twice… πŸ˜‰

      July 6, 2015 at 9:43 pm

      • Kevin Mccray

        Deep space nine is a very boring show. Sisko is an awkward ass dude does not help the show at all. Voyager is the best in my opinion. Janeway is the admiral for a reason.

        August 10, 2016 at 6:30 am

      • Fuck yeah dude! Exactly! Thanks for the comment. πŸ™‚

        August 23, 2016 at 3:03 pm

  56. Dolemite

    Hate the show period. All DS9 is ST at a space mall, fuck that. My brother has watched it and still does but I find myself asking him to please change it when it comes on. Which he politely does knowing my feelings towards it except when he feels like messing with me. Have never made the connection to B5 never really liked it but a good point to make about it being a rip off of it.

    August 31, 2015 at 5:18 pm

    • Oh, the sheer drama! A mall in spaaaaaaace… Yeah, fuck that boring shit! Agreed! Thanks for the comment! πŸ™‚

      August 23, 2016 at 3:09 pm

  57. Mike

    Glad to know I’m not the only Voyager apologist out there and I don’t care what anyone says “Threshold” is at least awesomely bad. I’d go so far as to say it is the best of the bad Trek episodes across the whole franchise (and all the series have quite a few stinkers).

    It’s also nice to find a DS9 bashing forum. I thought that was the weakest series and couldn’t bring myself to slog through the whole thing. I couldn’t stand Kira and think Bajorans suck in general; fuck Bajor. You know who also sucks? Ferengei. Way to feature the two worst alien cultures in one show. Sure Neelix was annoying but at least the Voyager writers figured that out by Season 2 and kept him largely in the background. Oh yeah, and Odo is probably the least likeable character in the entire canon: smooth faced douche…

    September 6, 2015 at 2:34 am

    • Voyager doesn’t have apologists, just people who get that it is awesome, and recognise that the crew on DS9 are whinning babies who wouldn’t survive ten seconds if they were in the crew of Voyager’s situation! Thanks for thΓ© comment! πŸ™‚

      August 23, 2016 at 3:07 pm

  58. Bob

    I found DS9 to be boring overall for two reasons, encompassed in a single entity – the Dominion itself. As antagonists go, it was an extremely generic evil empire with a religious theme (but see, their religion is wrong, but the Bajorans’ religion is right, mhm), zero logical motivation to enter the Alpha Quadrant, and a dumbass army of clones that made the Borg look diverse. Second, following “Sacrifice of Angels”, it was clear that for all the fluff and drama with respect to the contrary, the Dominion was no threat at all, as the whole war arc became the Prophets show, with Space Jesus Sisko as the special guest star. No wonder the remaining two seasons were full of holosuite filler and soapy relationship drama – the series had no other leg to stand on. “In the Pale Moonlight” was great, but only if I could imagine it took place during an actual conflict, rather than against a bland backdrop.

    I can see why people consider DS9 to be among the best Star Trek iterations – it’s got pretty people dealing with highschool-grade relationship issues, or discussing college-freshman-political-studies matters, or getting emotional over Sunday school religious themes. In other words, it’s nothing like Star Trek, but everything like any other prime-time drama out there, same as how JJ-Trek is a generic action romp. And it might have been good, had it *not* taken place in a universe already chock-full of all-powerful aliens, a technology level high enough to make modern Earth-style politics irrelevant, and in a society which had up to then had better things to do than get anxious over who’s “linking” with whom.

    Consequently, I can see why Voyager is so underrated – it’s got none of that. Instead, it’s got actual character development (nonexistent in DS9 save for Nog), character drama based on science fiction elements rather than generic romance (take that, Odo), and plenty of plots to remind us that yes, Star Trek is a science fiction franchise first and foremost, so the conventions of prime-time soaps can only bog it down, not elevate it.

    So here’s to bipolar bitch Janeway and the hapless hobos of the USS Voyager, still light-years ahead of anyone from Bajor Hills 90210.

    October 9, 2015 at 1:01 pm

  59. drd7of14

    Just finished DS9, begrudgingly, about an hour ago after watching it between about a year long period.


    This show, as I thought since the beginning, was boring. Uninteresting characters, whom they tried so hard to get us to like. Pretty much the writers forcing them into situations to say, “feel bad for us. We are real people.” Sorry, but if you are unlikeable, then nothing is going to change that.

    The most interesting character on the show doesn’t even show up till around the 5th season, and he’s not even a regular, nor a member of the crew. General Martok is a wonderful element, so wonderful that an entire show based upon his adventures would have made for a glorious Trek indeed.

    Alas, we didn’t get that. Instead we got…Baseball, religion, gods, singing on the holosuite, dart games, etc.

    People (DS9 lovers) often cite the awesome battles that take place throughout the show, but they are just as boring, most of the time, as the opening of Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith. Again, the only interesting battles are the ones which involved honor, with the klingons. Makes me sound like a klingon supporter, but in reality, it is only due to the lack of interest in nearly everyone else.

    They even had to borrow Worf for a few seasons to try and make the show more interesting for viewing. Well, maybe they should have tried Data instead. Or someone who could tell a joke, cause that certainly wasn’t Dax. Either of them. Terrible. Even Riker would have been more fun to have around.

    Of course the setting certainly didn’t help, on a dark, cardassian constructed station, of course it wasn’t going to have the same tone as TNG, and I’m fine with the dank environment affecting the characters, but first, you have to have characters worth being affected.

    I am not blind as many DS9 supporters are. It was a painful experience getting through that show. I kept wishing it was shorter, or that something interesting would happen, but it rarely grants that wish. I guess the prophets couldn’t hear me. It seems they are just as much thin-air as this show. Not enough substance.

    Yes…Voyager is 100% better than this, even with Neelix. At least he made me smile occasionally.

    November 16, 2015 at 8:16 am

  60. Pamarack

    Deep Space 9 is complete Garbage, i could hardly get past the first two episodes before my eyes glazed over with what could loosely be called “Boredom”, so i just use DS9 to put me to sleep every night…

    Pretty much the jist of my DS9 experience

    Voyager on the other hand, i have watched 3 times over… My favorite happens to be Waking Moments…

    December 26, 2015 at 7:52 am

    • ‘Loosely be called Boredom’ LOL, that’s a good one, I like! DS9 is an excellent sleep aid. Thanks for the comment! πŸ™‚

      August 23, 2016 at 3:04 pm

  61. TheReflectingVoid

    Hi, I found your blog the same way others have… looking for others who also hate this show. I have seen every episode of the Original Series and Next Generation. Deep Space Nine is very very different and I knew I wouldn’t enjoy it as much as Next Generation based simply off of the picture on Netflix showing all the characters. Whereas Next Generation had a cyborg, an android, a Klingon, a psychic and two very strong male roles (Picard and Riker), DS9 has…. a member of one of the most annoying and ugly races in Star Trek and a humanoid shapeshifter that looks like he was born with a birth defect. The rest as far as I can see are mostly humans of no particular interest. The main captain is so wooden and uncomfortable. They must have really wanted to get a black captain in Trek if they decided to go with someone so horrible at acting!

    I will only be able to tolerate watching this show if I have it on while I play video games or something. A friend of mine says its his favorite Trek but I don’t see myself liking this in the future.

    August 20, 2016 at 3:13 am

    • Hi TheReflectingVoid, thanks for the comment. Agreed! I hope it wasn’t just to get a black main character. That was a worthy just and long overdue need in Trek but they could have chosen a better actor! πŸ™‚

      August 23, 2016 at 3:02 pm

  62. DrCroland

    I totally hated it also, dude. I can’t understand though, why you liked that Kira character. I hated her most of all, she was such a bitch! This show was a monumental disappointment to me. At the beginning I thought we were going to have a show with a Gothic atmosphere that would have some suspense and actually be fucking SCARY, like Dark Shadows in space, if you will. (Dated reference?) Instead, all we got was dull, pointless, boring soap-opera crap. the fact that DS9 actually aired for 7 seasons is, to me at least, incomprehensible.

    September 10, 2016 at 1:23 am

    • Janeway or Seven Hmm

      ” I can’t understand though, why you liked that Kira character. I hated her most of all, she was such a bitch!” LOL. This is in no way a criticism , but I would suggest “intrepidvoyager ” finds similar qualities to herself ? HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA.

      May 20, 2017 at 12:01 am

      • LOL. Perhaps I do… I shall take that as a backhanded compliment! πŸ˜‰

        August 12, 2017 at 4:51 pm

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  64. Sosleepy

    I just googled ‘why is DS9 so boring’ this blog was top of the list. Congrats!
    I’ve been trying for months to watch all of it… still four seasons to go. 😭

    August 11, 2017 at 6:21 pm

  65. gavin west

    your so wrong ds9 had the best characters sisko got a lot better when he became bald and garrick , the grand negus , quark , and dukat just to name a few

    September 18, 2017 at 8:05 pm

  66. gavin west

    i personally would say voyager was the worst harry and tom had a carbon copy friendship of o brian and bashir and torres was so annoying ooooh look at me im all angry coz im half klingon nelix should have been shoved out off the airlock and what was the point of kes she was that bad she probably sacked herself and left the show i suppose janeway and tuvak were the only 2 i could just about tolerate oh and seven of nine and that’s only coz she was hot

    September 18, 2017 at 8:22 pm

    • Fair enough, to each their own! Thanks for the comment.

      May 21, 2018 at 12:34 am

  67. Picards Mustache

    Welp it’s March 31st, 2018…I had just got done watching every episode of Star Trek: Enterprise. I thoroughly enjoyed it to be quite honest and was shocked many didn’t. So I decided to give DS9 a shot…Season 1, Episode 1…fell asleep 25 mins in…woke up as this retard is going thru a worm hole again..having some inane talk over and over…I decided to nope the fuck out with 10 mins left. Won’t be watching that again.

    March 31, 2018 at 9:38 am

    • fred

      Exact same here!! Just finished Enterprise on Netflix and is so good, a great shame it lasted only 4 years. Have been through TNG and TOS on bluray a couple of times already so attempted to watch DS9…..and can’t make it past halfway through the first season. Unfortunately I am finding the new Discovery series equally shit. Full of constant arguing.

      May 16, 2018 at 10:31 pm

      • Thanks for the comment. Enterprise… has its moments, I’ll give it that! I do like Discovery, Burnham is a great lead, but I respect your opinion, and agree to an extent about the arguing. Conflict is interesting for drama, but there’s probably a little too much conflict between the crew. Thanks again.

        May 20, 2018 at 11:41 pm

  68. ModicumOfMinutiae

    If this blog is at the top of the Google list of why DS9 sucks, then I feel a lot better. This blog is an expression of an opinion and makes objective points that all lead to the author’s unfortunate lack of comprehension and attention. Which is ok. Not saying that in a bad way.

    The crux of the matter boils down to this; the majority of people professionally invested in the film industry are positive about DS9. Critics, reviewers, writers and podcasters often times hail it as the best.

    Well spoken, articulate, thorough people. Not saying β€œIntrepidVoyager” fits one standard or the other. Just saying in general.

    For lack of a better explanation, smart people like DS9 and the rest think it’s boring.

    April 5, 2018 at 6:18 am

    • Is it lonely up there on your hoity-toity, ‘holier than thou’ perch? You must be pretty windswept up there, you judgemental sack of shit. ‘Smart people like DS9 and the rest think it’s boring.’ Now that is hilarious. Your baseless assumptions of others peoples intelligence levels based on nothing more than what shows they enjoy is both laughable and contemptible. And I don’t give two shits about what’s some writer or critic says, (especially a goddamn podcaster, LOL. Oh please…any fucker can make a damn podcast, just as I, including myself under the description of ‘any fucker’, wrote this article!) They’re entitled to their own opinions. None of that makes them smarter, or any sort of final authority on quality. Their writings are merely opinion pieces, nothing more. So again, get off that fucking high horse before you fall and break your neck.

      April 5, 2018 at 12:36 pm

    • JohnS

      You say that you feel better because this article is just an opinion. Then you immediately use Appeal to Authority and consider the opinions of other people to negate the opinions of the author of this article. Given that you like DS9 and you say smart people like DS9 I am forced to conclude that you believe yourself to be smart. Are you smart enough to even realise that your argument was based on a logical fallacy?

      Moving on, I feel like I’m already getting close to name calling, and I am above that. For the most part.

      DS9 is a soap opera focusing on the religion of people who think space aliens are their god. I’d like to say it’s about Starfleet but it’s really not. It starts and ends with the wormhole and the aliens in it. Everything else is just pandering around that one overarching theme: prophets. Yay, religion! So exciting.

      It’s high time people get over the fact that everyone seemed to want to suck DS9 dick when this show was being produced. Take off the nostalgia goggles and realise that it was only good because it was something to watch after TNG has been killed as a TV series and VOY was still to be aired. It was more Star Trek! We all wanted more. We got more. I lived the Star Trek glory days and I lament their loss harder than anyone I know.

      But lets not forget that people liked the Star Wars prequels when they first came out, it took some time for the tragedy to actually sink in. But DS9 isn’t important enough for that to happen. The tragedy won’t sink in because no one cares anymore.

      Now, here’s where I’ll break it down. A lot of this is opinion, and we don’t like that! Some peoples opinions are different and mean. So lets stick with facts. Cold hard facts that don’t give a shit which way you take them, they simply are.

      I make the following claim: DS9 is, objectively, the worst Star Trek. I can demonstrate this without the use of any opinion at all, in the only objective manner that is possible:

      They didn’t Trek to any Stars. Their purpose is, in fact, to NOT Trek Stars at all. As such it lacks the entire spirit of Star Trek before and after and it does not fit amongst the other shows as an equal. It is different. Unique. Incomparable to the other Trek. And this is where we can draw the conclusion from…

      There was no journey except the metaphorical one of character development. Their purpose was not to explore new places as a matter of course. Their lives are the humdrum administration of a space station in the armpit of the galaxy. Oh sure they went to new places but that was never their purpose. They went there because they had to for reasons other than exploration. In fact, as far as I recall, the one time they DID say “well fuck it, lets go for a look around just for funsies” they managed to get the Bajoran pope killed. The Gamma quadrant is right there yet so scant are our trips through that wormhole! Their purpose asDS9 is to observe and manage the exploration of other ships. Their purpose is administrative. Their purpose is to facilitate the treks of others. They are not trekking.

      DS9 is not Star Trekking. Only in name is it Star Trek. This is objectively true.

      DS9 has no Star Trek spirit. There’s no sense of adventure, just oppressive meniality and laboured concepts. No other show bearing the name Trek has abandoned its raison d’etre so completely as DS9. In fact, this was the premise of the show.

      The producers were going for something new, something different! They said so themselves many times. They wanted something fresh and gritty and not like the other Star Treks. Emphatically not Star Trek. At all.

      Given this we see that DS9 is, objectively, only Star Trek by name. As such DS9 is objectively incomparable to the other shows. They are, at their core, entirely different. There is so little Star Trek in DS9 that it’s genuinely and entirely different thing. You need not invoke any opinion at all on which characters you like, what plot lines are better, which show is more entertaining… all of this is subjective. All of that can be ignored as frivolity when you simply look at what DS9 actuall IS.

      DS9 is Star Trek in name only, by design, to give the producers some new premise to work with.

      DS9 is the least Star Trek of all shows to carry that name as it is Star Trek only because of the name it carries.

      DS9 is the least Star Trek of all Star Trek.

      DS9 is the least.

      DS9 is shit.

      I rest my case. I welcome counterpoints.

      May 20, 2018 at 9:31 pm

      • To JohnS: Thanks for the support, and for the comment. As for the counterpoints you hoped for? I wouldn’t get your hopes up that the first poster, Modicum, will get back to you. He hasn’t responded to my calling him out on his unpleasant comment. I won’t be using any more of my time on it, nor any further explanation of my opinions. As for your well-considered response John, you probably won’t get the response you deserve. Speaking personally, this post is like 8 years old and I’m a busy woman, and you’re probably busy too.
        I’ll be honest, after poorly veiled insults about my intelligence when the poster knows NOTHING about me other than my opinion on Trek, they tend to completely and laughably invalidate themselves. Thanks again for the comment, John. πŸ™‚

        May 20, 2018 at 11:24 pm

  69. Acid Trip

    After trying to watch the same episode 4 times and couldn’t pass the 20min mark, I googled “ds9 is shit” and found this post lol
    That’s the last series of the franchise I’m getting into and God that’s hard. Bad acting, bad stories, bad characters. The one I “like” the most is the bartender and I hate the Ferengi. Trying to hang on till the Dominion stuff. Not sure I’ll make it. I’m barely in the middle of season ONE.
    Amazing you keep answering angrily after 8 years πŸ˜€

    April 20, 2018 at 7:47 am

    • LOL, thanks! I get emails whenever someone comments, nice to see the old posts still getting some views every now and then! Any insult levelled at me on a personal level by some keyboard warrior whose only brave enough to call me names under the veil of internet anonymity is going to get an angry answer!
      The Dominion stuff, eh… some of it is ok, (and I really mean it when I say only ok) but is not worth shifting through shit to then find only fool’s gold, instead of the real thing. Don’t suffer through the seasons if you don’t think you can make it! Thanks for the comment.

      May 20, 2018 at 11:53 pm

  70. Lawson

    You take the time to produce the site, write a good piece about the show and it’s rubbish “thespians” then the whole comments section ends up being a platform for two or three Trekkies to have a natter because they sit in a dark room and have had all their social skills erased by tech. Fuck me, Sisco, talk to me.

    April 27, 2018 at 10:23 pm

    • LOL, not a lot I can do about the trolls, I’m afraid. I just try not to feed them! πŸ™‚ Thanks for saying it was a good piece, I recall being irritated when I wrote it but tried to stay on point and keep the standard a bit higher than just an angry rant. A lot of swearing, but mostly I stayed on mission I think. Thanks again for the compliment.

      May 20, 2018 at 11:46 pm

  71. fred

    Ah, so I’m not the only one who can’t work out why this series lasted nine years. I hav’nt managed to get halfway through series one without falling asleep in each episode. I wish I could enjoy Voyager – but unfortunately I can’t get past that woman with the incessant high pitched micky-mouse voice that makes my skin crawl.

    May 16, 2018 at 10:24 pm

    • LOL, well, to each their own! (If you don’t like her voice, maybe watch in a difference language with subtitles). πŸ˜‰ DS9 is a good sleeping aid, for sure. Thanks for the comment!

      May 20, 2018 at 11:43 pm

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